If Scotland leave the uk Thursday....

You know something..I'am very patriotic and I used to get hung up on an old site when people would refer to UK pavilion as the
England pavilion.. I've walked thro UK pavilion many times and see lots of English stuff on the shelves,but very little Scottish or Welsh merchandise ..So as far as removing all the Scottish merchandise ..That shouldn't take too long...P.S...Myself and my DW and DS are all Yes voters..

My local pub in Scotland sells more of the black stuff than Scottish lager..Anyway it won't affect me as apart from having a
Carls combo in the Rose & Crown. I rarely spend any time at the UK pavilion...But time will tell come Thursdays outcome..

Your talking a lot of mince.. ( that's a old Scottish saying ) We won't have to worry about any 14 day ticket..Nor the euro..Westminster are desperate for us to stay in the UK..We will keep the pound and sell England our oil at a 50% increase..LOL...

Hey chaps I know this is banter but discussions regarding the vote are probably suited elsewhere as I am sure our friends here don't want to be bored by this.

I avoid the UK pavillion, I can go to a proper pub, eat better food every day, why on earth would I want to waste my time on holiday going to a fake home? Yes the UK pavillion should represent all of the UK not just England but we all know it is not a true representation of the UK.

For what it's worth, when Epcot first opened and throughout the following decade there were just as many Scottish and Welsh goods. I can tell you that my family bought more than our share of scottish wool sweaters and tartan scarves, there used to be a very chic shop for that sort of thing. I also clearly remember being able to buy all sorts of souvenir goods sporting the Welsh dragon.

Sadly, as happened with many of the World Showcase pavilions over the years Disney lost sponsorships for the goods and products that made the Epcot shopping experience unique. Today guests will find the same "Got Wine?" shirt in Canada, France, and Germany - all made in China. It's truly frustrating. While several companies have built their American reputations and distributor ships on the back of that original Disney contract, many of them also failed after the contracts lapsed.

The amount of merchandise that remains will likely be subject to whatever contracts that Disney has in place with the companies in the first place. However as those contracts come up for renewal Disney will have to make a choice as to if Scotland will remain. For the record, it will not be pretty if I can't get my shortbread.

I'm interested in the news soon to come out of Scotland, don't find it at all boring, but this is probably not the place to discuss politics.

I'm moving this thread over to the General Chit Chat board. As long as all discussion remains civil I have no problem with it being talked about, I find it fascinating.

I belong to another well known disney forum and believe me this chat is positively charming, there was a question about exchange rates last week - and would the Scotland decision make it better or worse. Well within 4 posts it was evil chaos!

I was tempted to bring up that Cornwall has always wanted to be a country in it's own right

I will pop into the uk pavilion when I go, just to say I've been there, but I've always had a rule that if I go somewhere new why should I eat/ drink what I can get at home (this has only ever been on work trips to Spain and Cyprus and holidays in Disneyland Paris )

Thank you Sally-Ann..Well said...

That's why I love Disney..We all have our dreams...

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I'm also intrigued by this conversation. I don't know all of the details of the backstory here (I have a general idea, but it's not an issue to which I have devoted tremendous research) and it's much more interesting to me to hear from all of our WDWFG friends who have to live with the consequences of these types of decisions than it is to read some sanitized news report.

As far as what would happen at EPCOT, it's tough to say because we don't have a precedent for it. Germany reunified after their EPCOT pavilion opened, but that's kind of the opposite of this situation.

Ok..2 days until our vote..Here's my say..To be honest, no one knows what the future holds. All of a sudden the Yes campaign in the last few weeks has took a giant leap forward, and now all three parties from Westminster arrive in Scotland this week bearing gifts..Even the Queen is getting into the act..All these promises are far too late..Why not give these promises to Scotland months ago..I'll tell you why..Because the No campaign was leading by a huge margin,now it's neck and neck..In black and white,Scotland is one of most potential richest countries in the world..My decision was only made up in the past few months after attending several debates and listening to both sides of the argument...Here is the headline from today's national Scottish newspaper..Westminster's three leaders signing a joint promise to guarantee more powers to Scotland..Only problem is, they won't say what the powers are...It's a big Yes from my family..

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Please pardon me for not understanding the day to day politics of this, I know much more about 14th and 16th century Scottish government than I do modern. I have a few questions.

How would leaving the UK improve the day to day life of the average person living in Scotland? Is there some sort of oppression that is going on? Do you not have Scottish representation in government? Does the Yes campaign actually have a plan for moving forward and becoming you own country? A time table? Are there any agreements with other European countries to acknowledge Scotland as it's own sovereign nation? Would you still recognize the Queen? Would you create your own constitutional monarchy? Is there a person that the Yes campaign rallying around, or just a concept?

I've been following this pretty closely for the last month or two. Absolutely fascinated by it and the situation if Yes wins. But correct me if I'm wrong - on a strictly legal basis, this is not a binding referendum, correct? Scotland only has Westminster's word that independence will proceed if Yes wins. There is no existing law that forces the UK government to recognize the results.

But if Yes actually wins, the political pressure to recognize the results and follow through will far outweigh any other option... at least as I understand it.

And the most staggering bit of information I've heard was on BBC News a couple of nights ago: 18% undecided in Scotland with less than a week to go. I find that incredible - how can one not have an opinion, one way or the other, about the future of his/her country?

Great questions Kristen! I'm interested in these as well. As always, there are certainly two sides to every issue. Could one of our friends possibly give us a brief synopsis of what issues you are facing on the yes side and the no side? What types of ramifications could there be for each of the entities involved? Are other entities (I don't know the correct word--countries? provinces? states?) in the Kingdom having the same troubles as Scotland? I know that there is a huge history with Northern Ireland's inclusion in the UK, but I know quite a bit less about Scotland and how it became to be part of the UK. Is the expectation that separation would be violent or peaceful?

Ok...I'll try and answer these questions..Scott..The reason 18% are still undecided is that they are not sure what the future holds...Example.My mother in law.." What are we voting for again." If it was a vote for free bingo,she would vote yes..Now to Kristen...There is no oppression..We have Scottish representations in Westminster that are over ruled by England..Yes, there is a plan for Scotland..And yes, we would still recognise the queen ( she of course has castles all over Scotland ) We would not create our own Monarchy, and there is no one leader...To sum it up...England do not want Scotland to be a country on it's own because the powers at Westminster know what the outcome would be..Financial disaster for the UK..We are potentially one of the richest countries in the world, and that's why the three amigos from London arrived at the weekend with more broken promises about giving Scotland more power if we stay in the UK...Margaret Thatcher tried the poll tax in the early 80's.."Let's give it to the Scots first, and see what happens." Well we know how that ended...

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You know, after reading my thread reply, it brought back memories of a story called " Trail of Tears " that I read when I was a wee boy about the American Indian tribes..

There's no 2 TT's in Scots..You need to learn English..

No offence taken..Here's our new currency ...

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I am loving this thread. I love history and I am learning so much. It is always interesting to see the politics of other countries.

I live in England and am from Irish and welsh blood however my dad lived in Scotland for many years and was in the scots guards so I feel I have ties to Scotland as well. I personally hope the yes vote doesn't win however I feel fairly confident that it will because Scotland has a strong sense of morale, pride in their land and their people - something which we don't have here in England (or at least not to the same extent). I love our United Kingdom

Yes, I agree with you Robyn, there is a wee bit too much of the " Braveheart " for my liking..This vote is nothing to do with kicking England in the butt..It's got nothing to do with the hatred that the scots had against the late Mrs Thatcher..It's about proving that we, as a nation, can fend for ourselves, and make our own decisions, and yes, if the vote is a Yes, there will be mistakes along the way..The constant scare mongering coming from Westminster is adding fuel to the yes campaign .." One woman on TV said last night, and I quote " I'm disgusted that better together campaign waited until now to come out with things that could have made a difference "...Anyway, only time will tell...

I read an article today that caught my attention regarding this very issue. Because of this article it is my sincere hope that the "No" vote will prevail! The article I am referring to referenced the possibility of a significant decrease in supply or an increase in price of an item that I find extremely important. SCOTCH!

PLEASE, whatever you do keep the Scotch plentiful and affordable!

Just kidding! Going to the store tonight just in case!

There's no problem with the whisky, just like our oil, it won't run out..LOL..My family were up at 6.50am and voted at 7.30am this morning...To be honest, I'll be glad when it's all over, no matter what the result is..Politics is bad for my health..

Are you kidding? Politics is my absolute favorite spectator sport!